tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post8170786490070854319..comments2024-02-14T02:30:36.732-05:00Comments on The Blog of Helios: Canonical Alienates Their Major Asset.Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13978117986484281976noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-47324157797426796072011-07-04T23:55:33.661-05:002011-07-04T23:55:33.661-05:00Never mind the Mint - in your own capture of the D...Never mind the Mint - in your own capture of the Distrowatch rankings it's already _falling_, same as the rest of them. I dare you to take a look at the 7-day rankings, and see the only one that is *rising* now.<br /><br />That's right - it's _PCLinuxOS_.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-13010427044939895602011-06-29T16:57:28.653-05:002011-06-29T16:57:28.653-05:00Jeremy Bicha said..."Synaptic is very complic...Jeremy Bicha said..."Synaptic is very complicated for a new user ..." and "I thought you customized your installs anyway."<br /><br />So, what you are saying is those of us who DON't want to have to reset everyone of our preferences every time we load a new version should just suck it up for the benefit of these proverbial new users? <br /><br />I <b> DO NOT </b> want to have to reset my preferences nor do I want those friends of mine who I help calling me up to fix theirs. <br /><br />As far as having two tool that do the same thing goes, let the developers make the NEW tool EVERY SINGLE BIT as good as the one it replaces and I won't complain so much. I think it's time I looked for a distribution which concentrates on consistency and functionality more and what the developers think looks cool less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-8529693420805744822011-06-29T16:50:47.813-05:002011-06-29T16:50:47.813-05:00OK, I'm probably late to make a useful comment...OK, I'm probably late to make a useful comment that anyone will give a damn about, but ...<br /><br />Canonical, start a Gubuntu version, do whatever silly thing you want to with Unity Ubuntu, but leave Gubuntu continuing with Gnome, Synaptic, and so on. MICROSOFT has a record of treating the users as too stupid to make their own choices and now you are emulating them. Good luck with that strategy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-31366918344054751782011-06-29T06:52:03.046-05:002011-06-29T06:52:03.046-05:001. You can add the shortcuts back, it's in the...1. You can add the shortcuts back, it's in the *keyboard* settings. Also it was an upstream thing, not Ubuntu.<br />2. Ubuntu is committed to CD isos, not DVD.<br />3. Note that in those "30 days" - Mint had the latest release there. Therefore, more page hits, even though the releases are in close proximity. Also it is HITS, not any real usable data.<br />4. You can go to the classic gnome desktop in 10 seconds anyways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-77789498795171241412011-06-28T15:55:35.156-05:002011-06-28T15:55:35.156-05:00I'll Never Look at a Ubuntu desktop again ... ...I'll Never Look at a Ubuntu desktop again ... the fact that Ubuntu cares so little for it's user base and would force such a horribly ugly and un user friendly change on us, has made me despise canonical so badly that i'll never go back . for then to so blatantly turn their backs on the people that made them popular in the first place tells me that they just flat don't care ... they might as well change their name to microsoft if they are going to start putting out buggy software that nobody wantsjohnny P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12177697962011663398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-54825655845700239752011-06-28T15:45:35.380-05:002011-06-28T15:45:35.380-05:00When Ubuntu first appeared, I was happy to know th...When Ubuntu first appeared, I was happy to know there was a user friendly distro I could install in friends' and customers' boxes with enough confidence that they would not have any problems adapting to it. But, after I made a few installations, details began to surface which I didn't quite like. Being an old time user of Debian, I decided to not use Ubuntu and not promote it among my customers. I didn't feel like supporting something I was not using myself.<br /><br />Now things have evolved and so has Debian. It has really become a very desktop friendly distro. Over the last months I have been installing Squeeze --the satble version of Debian-- in every make and model of hardware I get access to, with little to no hassle.<br /><br />i. gironAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-31916506767479139272011-06-28T14:49:17.230-05:002011-06-28T14:49:17.230-05:00ctrl-alt-backspace was disabled upstream by Xorg. ...ctrl-alt-backspace was disabled upstream by Xorg. That change only appeared in Ubuntu when they pulled that version in.<br /><br />They had a pretty transparent discussion about whether to keep with upstream's change or diverge with upstream and turn it back on. About as many people favored it as opposed it. Ubuntu decided this wasn't strong enough reason to diverge from upstream, so stayed with upstream's decision.<br /><br />One of ubuntu's engineers wrote a tool so users could flip it back on if they want, until support for the option was added to GNOME.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-16777687351361524272011-06-28T13:56:46.303-05:002011-06-28T13:56:46.303-05:00What's the "major asset Ubuntu is alienat...What's the "major asset Ubuntu is alienating again? You think a static fan base (which has grown up to its limits long ago) is all that Canonical can expect from its investment? Canonical wants 200M users in 4 years. Their current base probably hasn't reached 10M, in 7 years. If that's not enough proof that they needed a change I don't know what it is. If it takes "alienating" 10M to get 200M, well done. Anyways, those 10M wheren't bringing a cent in revenue, so why care? Not counting the fact that from those 10M, they won't probably lose more than a minimal (no matter how vocal) percentage. That's a reasonable sacrifice to make.<br /><br />What's the alternative? Ask RedHat. They don't give a damn about desktops and use Fedora as a huge beta testing program, nothing else. Novell will vanish slowly but steadily and they don't care about the desktop either (commercially, that is). Canonical is the only business focused on Linux Desktop. THE ONLY ONE. Those who thought Shuttleworth was betting his money on geeks, need some reality check.<br /><br />Canonical did the right thing. Only time will tell if they succeed, but if they don't, who cares? It's a millionaire's money and we are all having fun from his bet (including he himself). If he wins, the whole world will have an option for their desktops. If not, nobody died attempting.<br /><br />In other words: Canonical's major asset is not and has never been its fan base. You are basically wrong by thinking geeks are a reasonable business target for a desktop OS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-4836523444380754762011-06-28T13:15:50.532-05:002011-06-28T13:15:50.532-05:00you make good points, but this
"Ubuntu in es...<b>you make good points, but this<br /><br />"Ubuntu in essence, became Linux....or the other way around"<br /><br />is quite offensive to me as a linuxer.</b><br /><br />I find it equally offensive but it doesn't make it less true. <br /><br />Go to Ubuntu.com and find me any reference on their front page that Ubuntu has anything to do with Linux. Sure you can drill down a few pages and find it but only if you look hard.<br /><br />Check the seemingly-endless "Ubuntu" articles. I would wager 80 percent of the "tips" offered in these stories would apply to most Linux distributions but according to the articles, they are <b>Ubuntu</b> tips and tricks.<br /><br />So either they are religious fanatics or new users who actually think Ubuntu IS Linux is the answer.<br /><br />Or just stupid. After reading many of them myself, this option crossed my mind more than oncemike Regannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-4752848339422530722011-06-28T12:40:46.080-05:002011-06-28T12:40:46.080-05:00I'm a Ubuntu orphan too so to speak. I ditched...I'm a Ubuntu orphan too so to speak. I ditched it for Fedora. While I liked Unity on my netbook, there were other things they were doing that was obviously to make Linux more like Windows for the new user that left people like me that have been using Linux for a while out in the cold.Jonquilhttp://xjonquilx.co.ccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-6719740151735529622011-06-28T11:07:33.419-05:002011-06-28T11:07:33.419-05:00I moved from Mandrake when it morphed into Mandriv...I moved from Mandrake when it morphed into Mandriva. I discovered Ubuntu/Kubuntu 6.06 and got religion. I sang the praises of Kubuntu till they dumbed down KDE 4.0 and I reluctantly shifted to Ubuntu.<br /><br />Then Canonical got a new CEO and rumours started about ditching Synaptic, along with the rising spectre of a dumbed-down Genome 3.0.<br /><br />I moved to Linux Mint Debian Edition as soon as it came out. When the 64 bit version appeared I was overjoyed.<br /><br />Ubuntu is a thing of the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-39054911370154270812011-06-28T10:25:05.870-05:002011-06-28T10:25:05.870-05:00Ubuntu/Canonical seem to be alienating people by a...Ubuntu/Canonical seem to be alienating people by assuming everyone's a drooling slack jawed idiot who's ungainly paws can't manage a keyboard let alone a mouse.<br /><br />Sure Mint is shown on top in your example, but also scroll down a couple and you see Archlinux at #6!<br /><br />Arch doesn't even offer a GUI installer or default desktop. Yet it's rise cannot be denied (to the dismay of Arch devs perhaps).<br /><br />Maybe they should take a look at the Arch Way and discover simple doesn't mean stupid.<br /><br />The Arch Way:<br /><br />https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_WayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-30712736027709202482011-06-28T10:05:10.004-05:002011-06-28T10:05:10.004-05:00left Ubuntu and slammed the door when they switche...left Ubuntu and slammed the door when they switched the nav buttons to the left. Went To Arch Linux for my machines and to LinuxMint for the Wife and kids.<br /><br />To all the people claiming here that as an experienced Linux user you can just remove Unity or switch the nav back etc. <br /><br />Whats the point?<br /><br />As an experienced Linux user I can use a number of distros comfortably. Why should I use one that clearly doesn't care about its community?<br />When they switched the buttons Shuttleworth essentially told the community they are there to be seen not heard. Same with Unity.<br /><br />So why stay where I'm not wanted? There's plenty of distros that want community and value it!<br /><br />emkemknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-18609783850774649962011-06-28T09:31:31.080-05:002011-06-28T09:31:31.080-05:00Unity could use a few changes, such as making some...Unity could use a few changes, such as making some type of embedded menu in the launcher or dash for programs in Wine, but after learning a few keyboard shortcuts, I can't go back to Gnome 2.32 on my 15.6" laptop because it wastes too much space.<br /><br />Besides Ubuntu, I also regularly use Linux Mint Debian and Sabayon, but the Unity advantage keeps me mostly on Ubuntu 11.04 and excited to see what advances will be in 11.10.<br /><br />Regardless, it makes sense to keep clients at LTS releeases anyway. That's what I do for my parents.decentralist.wordpress.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11781353248761665309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-11521030952630054352011-06-28T09:20:40.430-05:002011-06-28T09:20:40.430-05:00I got annoyed with ubuntu switching the buttons to...I got annoyed with ubuntu switching the buttons to the top left from top right, then I got annoyed at their announcement of a non-gnome desktop called unity. When I tried it I was honestly disappointed at what canonical were doing to what used to be my favourite OS.<br /><br />Gnome 3 is just as bad as unity, if not even more dumbed down and utterly useless. Absolute garbage. After hopping around to different distros - including mint - I landed on openSUSE and have never looked back since. I'm glad that at least 1 major distro isn't selling out to what seems like a crowd with no brainstems.Jack Todarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10593564520599245534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-45421098908697019252011-06-28T09:09:48.351-05:002011-06-28T09:09:48.351-05:00What is sad is that all these people are making th...What is sad is that all these people are making the reason to change, an Operating System, because of a Desktop ? This makes no sense there are several other Desktops for you to choose from but yet instead you would rather abandon the entire OS. This makes no sense and really just show your own ignorance on the situation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02422537565180839709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-31361613703054023532011-06-28T09:03:34.412-05:002011-06-28T09:03:34.412-05:001roxtar says:
I use Ubuntu 11.04 (w/ Unity) on a ...1roxtar says:<br /><br />I use Ubuntu 11.04 (w/ Unity) on a 15" laptop screen and on desktop using my 37" flatscreen TV as a monitor and each look and work perfectly fine. Too many are complaining about what Unity can't do and won't give it credit for what it does do right. I'm not the proverbial "dumbed-down" user everyone keeps talking about when referring to those of us who really like Unity. I find it much more usable and enjoyable than Gnome 3 Shell. But that's just my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-72732731275189012772011-06-28T08:37:05.772-05:002011-06-28T08:37:05.772-05:00I guess this all depends on whether you are buildi...I guess this all depends on whether you are building a product for yesterday's user or for tomorrow's user.<br />If you've already got all the stuff you want in your OS, why don't you just stick with it and be happy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-74440141225567155162011-06-28T08:36:24.165-05:002011-06-28T08:36:24.165-05:00The Linux Mint Gnome Edition is in for a world of ...The Linux Mint Gnome Edition is in for a world of hurt. Gnome 2.32 is a dead man walking. The next release of Ubuntu will be based on Gnome 3. At that point the Linux Mint crew has three choices 1) Move to Gnome 3 and customize as best as possible. 2) Package their own Gnome 2.32 or 3) Move to another base distro like Debian. <br /><br />But no matter what they do, Gnome 2.32 is the end of the line for Gnome 2. There will be no updates. It will start showing its age. It will become harder and harder to compile with newer libraries. <br /><br />Then they will be in the same boat as KDE 3 users are now. Project Trinity has taken over KDE 3. But apps like K3b or Amarok do not like bug reports from KDE 3 users. They are not going to fix those old bugs and they don't care about new bugs related to running such an old environment on a new computer. So many apps that have moved on to KDE4, their developers are asking the Trinity team to rename the KDE 3 version of those apps to alleviate confusion. This is Gnome 2's future. <br /><br />You have one or two years at best before needing to leave Gnome 2 to go someplace? Right now I would say XFCE.Elder Geekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06276170020717589768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-28753739821922625552011-06-28T08:20:12.660-05:002011-06-28T08:20:12.660-05:00My background: programmer, dumped Windows for good...My background: programmer, dumped Windows for good an year ago, using Ubuntu ever since, already tried Fodora in the past. Now a FS enthusiast.<br /><br />Simply put people, I don't understand how can Linux users create such flame wars over some lost app/feature...<br /><br />I mean, this is Linux world! If you miss it, add it back in a matter of seconds. If the distro does not fits you anymore, move away. But why curse the old distro?<br /><br />As long as it is helping the Linux world, bringing new users, helping make the community and user base larger... and ultimately bringing Windows down, then be it! That's the point!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-48980410563375575852011-06-28T08:14:30.093-05:002011-06-28T08:14:30.093-05:00All that is needed now is for Mepis to switch to x...All that is needed now is for Mepis to switch to xfce or lxde or at least create some spins. It's the user-friendly distro end-user's and admins will see fit to use. Even if it does ship with with kde it's a polished distro that anyone can be comfortable with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-39174325350934656602011-06-28T07:54:04.239-05:002011-06-28T07:54:04.239-05:00I'm with Felix -- I too won't use Mint due...I'm with Felix -- I too won't use Mint due to Clem's political rant from 2 years ago. Given how he's anti-Israel, I can't help but wonder if he's supporting terrorism with Linux Mint. As a Christian and a patriotic, freedom-loving American, that is a can of worms I refuse to open by downloading a copy of Mint.<br /><br />After much distro-hopping over the last 2 years, I finally settled on CrunchBang Statler Xfce edition, which I'm enjoying greatly. While it is a bit minimalistic compared to most other distros, I actually feel like I've learned a thing or two about Linux that I didn't know before using it -- and I've been a Linux user for 6 1/2 years now, having started with Mandrake in early 2005.<br /><br />I too have changed desktops in that time as well. I started out as a KDE user, but I too didn't like KDE 4 at all when it first came out. When that happened, I switched to GNOME -- and Ubuntu. But then, last year, I saw these changes on the horizon with GNOME and didn't like what I saw, so I switched to Xfce as my desktop of choice. I have, however, toyed with the idea of a possible return to KDE, at least on my main computer, since everyone says that those issues that KDE initially had with KDE 4 have been ironed out. However, our other computers don't really have enough memory for KDE, so ever if I were to switch, those would remain with Xfce.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-44578530434511141012011-06-28T07:50:57.697-05:002011-06-28T07:50:57.697-05:00A. You should be using the LTS. Why is it that the...A. You should be using the LTS. Why is it that the LTS is never considered. The in between distros are works in progress and about trying new ideas out. Why are you basing routines on synaptic, surely apt-get would be smarter for auto customizations?<br /><br />B. If you want a debian based distro that doesn't innovate use debian, not that sugary Mint crap. Debian may look like its from 2002 but it is stable and firmly based in gnome 2.xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-80544404926001779112011-06-28T07:49:26.719-05:002011-06-28T07:49:26.719-05:00Its time Shuttleworth steps down or be forced out!...Its time Shuttleworth steps down or be forced out!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33801994.post-19363740109131064402011-06-28T07:47:23.880-05:002011-06-28T07:47:23.880-05:00I was with Ubuntu since inception and when 11.04 f...I was with Ubuntu since inception and when 11.04 final came out I started looking, as of today i switched to mint, all 4 pc's in the house are mint.No more ubuntu. 4 of the 5 people i led to ubuntu are now using mint full time, I'm still in the process of moving files over on the 5th person. All things come to a end, Shuttleworth just pushed things along faster thats all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com